The CDC hosts teen parties, residents express concern
RTD has a thorough article up on the dance parties held at the Cultural Diversity Center off of Brookland Park Avenue.
Robinson, who rents the CDC and regularly lends the building to promoters who throw the parties, says he is providing a much-needed community gathering place for teens. He said he staffs six security officers inside during parties and five off-duty police officers in the parking lot.
“The kids need a place to have a good time; our problems happen when the kids leave,” Robinson said. He said he has been having the teen parties there since April, roughly once a week.
However, some residents and civic association leaders are concerned about the tenor of the parties and the fights that spring up afterwards. Below is a flyer for this week’s party, the linked to full version is quasi-NSFW — click wisely.
… the large, alcohol-free parties, which are geared toward ages 13 through 18 and are advertised with such slogans as “Booty Shorts and Tank Tops” and “Bathing Suit Bash.” Fliers entice girls to dress scantily.
Residents also report random gunfire — including as recently as Thursday night after a party there — and complain of trash strewn in yards and along the streets. On Thursday night, police officers were close enough to hear the shots, and they found two guns in the vicinity
The owner ends with this thought:
Corrigan said a lot of the problems outside the CDC could be fixed if parents would pick up their teens after the parties.
“I know where my kids are at 11 o’clock at night,” he said. “Where are yours?”
This is what happen from last Thursday night party.
4th AGGRAVATED ASSAULT
8/13/09 10:30 p.m.
2900 block of Garland Avenue
A male reported he was shot by an unknown male. His injuries are not life threatening.
Any publicity for this place is bad publicity. I can’t beleive that Jonathan Davis sees nothing wrong with this venue. He lives in Battery Park. Really makes me think twice about voting for him in the future, should he run for office. This close to home and NO CONCERNS?!? Impressive Mr. Davis.
I couldn’t believe he wanted to go on record that he had no problem leaving his teenage daughter at this place. It speaks to his overall skewed judgment. To dismiss bad behavior as “just kids these days” is foolish. If someone cannot be trusted to speak wisely and act protectively on behalf of his own child, how could he ever be trusted to do so on behalf of his community? Should he choose to run for office, I will certainly be glad to challenge him on that point parent-to-parent.
There is a huge difference between providing a “much-needed community gathering place for teens”, and providing a place that freely allows and even encourages negative behaviors. This place seems to be having a terribly negative impact on the neighborhood, not to mention on the teenage girls self esteem and safety of those attending the events. Hopefully enough complaints will change things here, or this guy will just be evicted since he doesn’t seem to have plans to change the way he’s running things.
I’ve spent a lot time out there. Most of those kids are very nice. The absence of any adults other than myself, police and CDC staff is curious. It would help if some of the parents and community leaders stepped up.
Also…
The assertion that this crappy club night is the only thing we can to help teens socialize and have fun is blatantly offensive.
Here is a slide show from one of the promoters parties. I’m not sure if it is at CDC or not. Again pictures are probably NSFW and are generally depressing.
http://www.slide.com/r/WFDMh5OIsD_Xk7mxyxJfPFFS70Q9AXVJ?map=2&cy=ms
Here is link to YouTube Video. Also someone has claimed this is not CDC. But here are the tags. It is the same promoters for teen parties at the CDC.
09 Jumpoff Party
Category: Entertainment
Tags: get live ent. entertainment richmond virginia the cdc building 09 jumpoff party
Sorry I should have put in the body of comment.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H–84qhNHC0
I am a reporter for 8News, we want to do a story about this. Anyone live in the area, feel strongly and want to talk to me about it? Email news@wric.com
Also if anyone knows anyone on the Battery park Civic Association I would love to get their feelings on this issue.
Thanks!
It’s interesting that the RTD article states the parties are targeted at 13-18 year olds. By the looks of the pictures, the parties are definitely welcoming males that are 18+.
I’m not a big fan of the venue myself, but I think if you were to go to any public high school (my suburban one included), the scene wouldn’t have looked all that different. Hooking up on the dance floor is still hooking up, no matter how you cut it. Although relevant, I think we need to be cautious about letting one video taint our perceptions.
I’m not trying to justify the club, but many of these kids are looking for a safe place to have a good time – do they have any other great options? What are people in the community doing to ensure they do?
Blake, the video is just a taste of what goes on. The video was made in Jan. The RTD article was put in today paper about an event that happen last week where teen were dry humping each other,
So the video represents what actually happens at these parties. I live over here I see the fighting and hear the gun shots.
Why does the community have to baby sit these kids. It is the parents job to find things for their children to do. It not my job to provide these kids with entertainment.
When I was a teen, if I said I was bored and didn’t have anything to do. My mom would get spoon from the kitchen drawer and tell me to dig weeds. So if these kids need something to do or need some entertainment I have some spoons in my kitchen and weeds in my yard.
How about noise complaints outside the venue? Are people getting waken by ‘boom cars’?
Scott, that’s putting it mildly. I live 1.5 blocks away, and boom boom cars are the least of my concerns. Thursday night, the shootout was in my alley at one point. At the beginning of each teen event, my husband and I stand outside with phones in hand to divert the boom boom cars from parking next to our house. Thus far, mumbling “police” and giving the evil eye when they step out from the car seems to do the trick. They get right back in and move.
We haven’t been able to have anybody over to our house on the weekends in 8 months, except for other neighborhood friends who are sensitive to the situation.
I suggest pressing the authorities on the noise issue. Good community policing recognizes that, just like broken windows lead to muggings, boom cars lead to gunfire. There is code on the books and it should be enforced. If the police have a problem with the noise code, they should let the citizens know so they can get their city representatives to change it.
There is noise code, but it is rarely enforced. There are cars that have speakers mounted in the grills of the cars that circle the nieghborhood.
We have asked for it to be enforced but it has not happened.
There are 5-20 patrol vehicles for every teen event at the CDC. They cannot write noise tickets when trying to break up fights with 60+ juveniles.
I think Mike Williams hit the mark on this one.
http://www2.timesdispatch.com/rtd/news/columnists_news/article/MIKE18_20090817-215804/286659/
PEOPLE LIKE YOU SPOIL IT FOR TEENS YALL SUCK DEAL WITH IT ITS NOT LIKE YAH COME OUTSIDE WEN PARTIES GOIN ON LET THE POLICE DO WHAT THEY DO STAY AND YOUR HOUSE MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS
I was at the pool the other day and some teens were naming the boom cars, captivated as they rumbled in the distance. “There go Boolie. Jurnk be shakin kids off they bike.” [sic]
All of the kids were so impressed when one of the cars came by. They jumped out of the water, ran to fence and danced as the car rumbled by.
So is Freddie Robinson the Oliver Lawrence of clubs?
From what I can tell, yes. Follow the comments on Mike William’s article. The gauntlet has been thrown down that white residents are attempting to shut down black businesses. Infuriating.
Eliz we know that is not true cause whenever we would complain it appeared to go largely ignored. For someone to say it was the white people that brought this on is untrue. Bad behavior is bad behavior doesn’t matter if it is “white” nieghborhood or “black” nieghbohood.
So if most of the my black nieghbors that I spoke to regarding news for CDC were upset of what was going on. Only hope that it will bring them out and take a stand against a place that only trying to victimize these teens.
My hope for this community is that it won’t be either a white neighborhood or black neighborhood. I would love to live in a neighborhood that actually is a center of cultural diversity. The CDC is not that, and the argument gets divisive when we pit ourselves against each other in terms of race.
There is the presenting issue of inappropriate parties and nuisance behaviors from these parties, and all neighbors in opposition need to stand up and complain for the safety of all children in this community. But an underlying issue, one that’s much trickier to engage, is anxiety about whose neighborhood this really is. If people feel that their home or way of life is somehow being threatened, that influences the other conversations.
I don’t perceive my presence here as a threat and want to raise my children in a community that is rich because of its differences. But I am learning that the color of my skin sends an automatic message to some that I am trying to change things. I feel naive for not better anticipating that response.
@ Elizabeth – thanks for your honest thoughts of reflection.
@ Preddy Ray (if your reading this) – I’d love to know more about the people who have tried to prevent blacks from gathering at the CDC. What other events have been advertised negatively?
What I meant to say was – “what other attempts have there been draw negative attention to the facility?”
“There is noise code, but it is rarely enforced.”
And so it goes…
When we requested that the code be enforced and the police actually did enforce it, that is when the “racially charge” flyers came out. Just about anything that the “white” community does, the “black” community calls racist. It is really getting pathetic. We are ONE community, lets work together for the greater good of the neighborhood. I can not understand why anyone would enjoy the pictures on their walls and windows vibrating in their own home, because of boom boom cars…
Contratulations on fighting for neighborhood safety. The real tragedy is that these kid’s parents casually ignore their safety and that of the community. It’s a shame that this is what passes for “black” business.
If anyone is interested in attending, the North Richmond HOPE Council has called a meeting regarding the CDC this Friday at 6 p.m. The meeting will be located at the Richmond Police Academy. There will be city/police officials in attendance.
Sorry if it seems like I am being officious here, but there are resources to bring to bear…
http://www.noisefree.org/boomcars.php
[quote]PEOPLE LIKE YOU SPOIL IT FOR TEENS YALL SUCK DEAL WITH IT ITS NOT LIKE YAH COME OUTSIDE WEN PARTIES GOIN ON LET THE POLICE DO WHAT THEY DO STAY AND YOUR HOUSE MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS[/quote]
I’m going to Bang-on this afternoon to have this put on a t-shirt.
Was that on RTD?
#18 here.
I have a couple comments/questions for many of the people posting here. But first, a little background. I live in Ginter Park, on Seminary Ave, been here a couple years with my wife and children, ages 11 and 7. We moved from West End and enjoy the area. Though living on a pretty quiet street, I visit the “rougher section” of the Northside quite frequently, most of the time to see family friends and/or pick up a 16 yr. old young man I mentor who lives on North Ave., just a couple blocks down from this club. My wife spends regular time with an inner-city teenage girls group. We are intimately familiar with the challenges.
I hear this and that offered in this discussion about how the kids ought to be able to act more positively and “shame on Mr. Robinson” for creating a space where 16-18 yr. olds are throwing parties that involve lewd, degrading behavior……dry humping on the dance floor even!!! Ohh no, not that.
Frankly, I don’t like it, but my question is this. When was the last time any people here visited a high school house party in Brandermill, Windsor Farms, or a university fraternity party? Much of the music is the same and the dancing and other behavior is often just as lewd.
Here is something else to sleep on. The affluent kids are actually the ones fueling the economy of the system that pumps the music’s story lines into “the hood”, which in turn introduces the kids in the hood to the story lines that form the predominant narrative that they are now seeking to connect, and base their lives “characters” in. Suburb teens and fraternity kids buying the music and laughing at much of what they see are in no danger themselves of getting sucked into it, yet are capitalizing the “the game” that is dictating “hood” reality.
Don’t think so? Spend a few hundred hours hanging with the kids in the ghetto and discover what you are up against when you try to get him/her to relate to some more “positive” story about who they are and what they can be when they grow up? You may as well be from outer space. Where is the money coming from that is pumping the story? No, the ‘burb and frat kids, and the middle-class white kids that comprised 90% of Snoop Dogg’s audience several months ago at Richmond’s National Theater don’t realize it, but “hood” reality for today’s teens is the dead-end consequence of middle-and privileged class spending.
A few more thoughts. It sure will be nice when us adults are all paying enough attention to our and others of the “village’s” kids to be able to offer them healthier opportunities, but in recent years I have spent hundreds of hours in the inner city hanging out with these teenagers, and they got nuthin, and the reality now is that they need some places to unwind, and unfortunate though it may be, there will occasionally be some violence at the end of the parties, just like there was at the end of house parties and fraternity parties I attended in high school and college when a couple guys bowed up over a girl.
The sad thing, of course, is that in this situation some kids carry guns, which results in dangerous extremes, but that doesn’t mean ya need to shut the whole place down. If you don’t create opportunities for these kids to let their hair down and express themselves in a context that fits the vibe of “what’s cool” in the here and now, they will explode, and the violence that ultimately erupts will be more widespread than what happens after these parties.
I don’t like that “what’s cool” looks and sounds like it does today, and could fairly say I find some of it disgusting, but chit, if my and my friends’ mothers’ saw half the rump shakin’ that went on inside the parties I attended as a teen in the late 80′s, they would have freaked out too. I’m not proud of it but don’t regret it either. We were having fun. All the same stuff, albeit at a “next generation” level, is still going on in the big homes throughout the West End, Woodlake, etc. But nobody talks about sending the cops into these houses or into fraternity parties and the behavior is widely viewed as just part of growing up and acting a fool.
Well guess what folks, unlike the West End/Woodlake/Fraternity crowd, the teens getting wild at these parties don’t have houses and fraternities to go to where they are shielded from the “po po’s” attention and the public’s eyes. If the cops had been driving around the streets and entering the establishments of the places where I partied back in the day, the arrest reports would have piled up high enough to compete with the ones on Richmond’s North Ave.
Winding down here, how many of you condemning the kids for how they are behaving from ages 14-20 are involved in volunteering to be a mentor, role model, or some form of positive presence in the lives of the kids at the ages they are forming their impression of “what’s cool?”. I ask because the reality of the situation, as stated above, is kids are gonna be kids and are gonna find some way to let their hair down or they will explode, and they are always going to do that through activities that feel “cool” to them. If you want to change the “culture of cool”, start with your own opportunities to be a positive influence on young people by investing your time and resources into their lives, and showing them something from time to time that gives them a reason to believe there is something “out there” beyond the limitations of the environments their souls are drowning in.
Take it a step further. Don’t just show them a bigger world…..make a real commitment to their lives, a commitment that is real enough that they can come to trust you will be there for them today, and may ultimately be a lifeline to the bigger worlds you introduce them to as children and teens. And for the love of Pete, when they act up and disappoint you relative to your standard for how they ought to be acting, use your imagination and come back to them with something real to offer rather than just saying “the community should be able to create more positive things for them to do”.
No argument there…….sounds real good……but let’s hear some suggestions. It is not so easy. What do you want them to do, show up for Friday night bingo parties followed by lemonade socials featuring lively games of pin the tail on the donkey? I know, here’s an idea…..invite them to enroll in Tuckahoe Cotillion over in Windsor farms where they can learn all the “proper” dances….the same ones that me and all my friends forgot about by the time we turned 18 and started “Juming Around” to House of Pain, MC Hammer, DJ Easy Rock, and Public Enemy.
What’s cool is what’s cool, and unfortunately, right now, that’s half-nekkid butts on posters, dry humpin’, and profane lyrics. And yet even as I write this I gotta grimace as I reflect on a late-night hit among the affluent whitebread crowd that I grew up in and partied among. Anybody ever heard of Clarence Carter, and his hit song “Strokin’”? Here is a lyric sample for ya…. “Strokin to the East, Strokin to the West, Strokin to the woman that I love best, I be strokin……Clarence Carter, Clarence Carter….oooohhh chit, Clarence Carter”. It is still a late night favorite throughout the most “decent” fraternities on the most excellent college campuses throughout the Southeast. You oughta see the way some of them Southern Belle debutantes gyrate to it in their “Daisy Duke” shorts. Let the raids begin?
Wanna change the scenery, change what is cool among its up-and-coming, socially influential young people. Want to change what is cool, make a commitment to invest the kind of time in kids and teens’ lives by which you EARN the opportunity to speak into their lives, and provoke them to think a little differently about some of the destructive behavior that surrounds and consumes them. That’s a better start than trying to make a scapegoat of a decent man who is just trying to make a space available to kids who would be acting a lot more destructively if they didn’t have it.
I’m new to this board. May not be back again….just stumbled on it. Admittedly, I don’t know anyone here personally and am not familiar with the culture of discussions at this site. If I have said anything that offended anyone, please accept my apology. I tend to favor “keeping it real” over acting nice when talking about serious stuff. Reality, not the land of appearances where people think closing buildings will make the problems of these kids go away, is the depth at which the challenges lie. Reality is also the world that demands every one of us to start by looking hard into our own lives for what we are or are not doing, and what our own issues are, relative to ALL of this city’s children.
My deuce cents. Peace and blessings.
Thanks for the input. I don’t live in this neighborhood either. The fact that kids do want to get out, do want to be active, do want to dance (to the latest style), is perfectly natural.
Most people sometimes enjoy loud music, but I would argue that ‘boom cars’ and other forms of noise pollution are an issue that should transcend the whole cultural/racial/demographic/freedom discussion. Its really a health issue. Disturbed sleep, disturbed community, and ravaged ears are not defensible.
Again, I ask you to look at
http://www.noisefree.org/boomcars.php
I totally agree with what Michael Paul Williams wrote in his August 18th RTD article that you can’t separate what goes on inside the CDC from what happens outside it. If there wasn’t a provocative teen party inside getting everyone stirred up there wouldn’t be the mayhem that ensues when it lets out.
The fact that this is the only local facility offering teens a social outlet is quite disturbing. The boards of the local neighborhood associations want to convince us that it’s the responsibility of the “village” to raise and influence these kids. I feel that’s a cop out and using that phrase sort of absolves them of their own parental and/or civic responsibility, either in part or in some cases totally.
If the neighborhood association leaders truly do have the kids best interests in mind then why aren’t they actively pulling together parents and other committed adults from all the surrounding neighborhoods and churches to come up with a better plan or solution?
As for the repeated comments by the North Richmond HOPE Council that Mr. Robinson has a legitimate business, fine I’ll concede that to a point. But I feel the neighborhood would be better served if the HOPE Council would focus on legitimate businesses that reflect positively on the community rather than negatively as the CDC currently does.
HP is one of those morally superior folks who likes to get mugged. Why is it our responsibility, or the city’s responsibility to entertain these young people? Give me a break!
Even though i’m finding this late let me just say this is some BULLSHITT..and I mean it! These people (who i happen to be friends with) are giving kids a place to go to have a good time. and let me say I’ve been to every party and they havent had HALF as many problems with fighting and what not as I’ve seen in the 18 and UP clubs! If they fight outside the party that is their problem and should not reflect Get Live or anyone who throws a party at the CDC I agree that people like yall ruin things like this for kids who just want to go out and have fun.. As far as the flyers are concerned and what they say. Everybody knows how kids dance these days “twerkn” and what not..and the flyers have been changed. They have changed what they say and the way they look because people are complaining, but my thing is..I guarantee that half yall or yall kids go to parties like this and I bet they come home in the same condition they left the house. So stop all this and let the kids have their fun because it’s not harming anybody at all. They could be out on the streets selling drugs or getting into all kinds of trouble, but they arent. and I don’t agree with them making this a story on the 8 o clock news..majority of the people in that entertainment group are freshman in college and working doing things with their lives and yall making them look like bad people and they arent. soo stop trying to make this into something it’s not. if you want to talk about people talk about the other entertainment groups that the police break up every party they have for fighting..they give the kids a place to go to have fun with their friends and forget the drama and every kid needs that.
Clearly, we will simply never agree on this. If these parties are really the best our neighborhood can offer young people, then I truly do not understand something. No, I did not participate in such events as a young person or as an adult, and my children will not, either. I am increasingly disheartened by my experience in Battery Park. I really thought this would be the last house we owned in Richmond, and now I’m just hoping we can break even and get out.
well then if you dont want to go then don’t go but don’t ruin it for those that do. school don’t do dances like they use to. and nobody wants to pay 10+ to see a movie or bowl every weekend..its another option..so if you don’t like it don’t go to it but don’t ruin it for those that want to enjoy it.
We all can agree kids need a place to be themselves. But it has to be healthly environment. Creating a environment where the kids come out into the nieghborhood get into fist fights and sometime shot guns off is not something that anyone would want for kids.
We should not “settle” for less for these kids. We should expect more for them and ourselves.
they gonna do it regardless.. majority of those problems dont even start in the party and whoever it is that is doing those things was gonna get to shooting or fightins one way or another so thats irrelivant to the parties.
The parties brought them to my street. I have a problem with that.
These posts have proved to be nothing more than a message board full of ignorant fools. I create every one of the Get Live flyers and yes while some are revealing by no means do any of them promote sexual activity. As a child, with a mother I know right from wrong. If you’re afraid of your child being sexually active then that is your issue to settle with your child and if they are having sex I assure you it is not at any Get Live events.
Twerkin’ is a dance term in our area. So for the uninformed, stop googling slang term webpage’s and finding these profound definitions. If you had some type of reasoning then you would have noticed the many CLEARLY different the most of the other bloggers have posted of this term.
The fact that News 8 basically targeted us as the sources of the problem in the North Richmond area is very unethical and clear act of desperation. WE ARENT THE ONLY GROUP THAT RENT THIS BUILING FOR EVENTS! Someone obviously needed a story. The Richmond Times dispatch had already done an article on the issue with teens fighting after parties almost a month earlier. That is understood, but this is a clear harmless attempt for our teens to have fun. We started throwing parties during our years in high school. WE NEVER HAD A PLACE TO GO TO HANG OUT HAVE FUN DANCE AND HAVE A GOOD TIME. That’s something we wanted to share with OUR friends and teens our age.
I understand and totally respect the north Richmond areas concern about the disturbance that it brings forth. I grew up in North side born and raised. I’m from the streets of HP and now a full time student-athlete at the college of William & Mary. We are not monsters; we are just young men who sought to provide entertainment for our friends and teens of the Greater Richmond Area. There are always other parties going on, but we feel as if we were unrightfully targeted in a story that began as Teen Violence.
I leave you with this: At NO point will any one individual you meet or know do everything you want them to do the way you want them to. You can fuss, fight, argue, and try everything in your power to influence them the way you want to, but once the mind is made up, the body follows. All teens aren’t out here fighting. If you’re a true parent then you shouldn’t be worried about your teen being involved in any disruption. Someone added a statistic about Black teen pregnancy in one of the posts basically saying we were encouraging it. Think about that for a moment… I’m sure you know a black mother or family out there who has a daughter who is pregnant or is a teen mother. Be honest with yourself and admit that the mother or parents didn’t do their job in teaching their children or being open with their child about this. AS PARENTS IT STARTS WITH YOU!
TK you are right kids need dances to go to. The way the kids dance, that is up to individual parents.
Myself and the neighbors have right to the “quiet enjoyment” of our property. That does not include street fighting and random gun shots. As a parent if had to choose between allowing you or your group to throw these teen parties and the safety of my children I will be choosing my children.
You can throw all the insults you want but bottom line is that my family is here for the long haul.
Looks like the promoter is using W Broad Street location near the Lowes. This time someone was shot and is in the hospital.
It’s for the kids, Richard. It’s for the kids.
NBC12 picked up on the story. This is joke. Why do we pay taxes to provide these “teen parties” free security.
http://www.nbc12.com/global/category.asp?c=151146&clipId=&topVideoCatNo=15149&topVideoCatNoB=135440&topVideoCatNoC=136187&topVideoCatNoD=136183&topVideoCatNoE=154626&clipId=4580458&topVideoCatNo=15149&autoStart=true
WHEN IS THE NEXT PARTY AT THE CDC ….
What is a joke is that when the residents of Battery Park came out against these parties and the terror that rained down on the neighborhood after the parties let out, we were labled uncaring and racist. NBC12 would have nothing to do with a couple of “random gunshots” and “teen fights in the street”. They would not cover the story unless there was a full out “riot”. Now that they are having the parties near the city’s money maker, (read VCU), it is a big deal. The news covers it just about every weekend. The double standard out there is truley remarkable. The police are all over this now, but when we expressed concern, Capt. Horne stood in the “HOPE” counsel meeting and told us that there was nothing wrong with these parties and that we needed to “heal” as a community, and that the police resources were not used up keeping control at these parties. WHAT A JOKE!!!!
Sorry had to vent somewhere.
Scott, watch this video again… can’t you see the news organizations? There aren’t but a few police here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQeMh-uPuP0
And, it obviously falls on the community to just deal with teen nightclub events… http://search.municode.com/HTML/16118/_DATA/TITLE06/ARTICLE_V__DANCEHALLS__NIGHTCL.html#2
That whole meeting was a complete joke.
Pardon,
That video was taken about two blocks down from the where the teen party was at. Whenever there was a teen party I would go out count the number of police cars, and it ranged from 8 to 12 cars. It is not completely up to the community to deal with teen parties. That code you refer is in place, but the City is not using it for whatever reason. I wish the City would use it cause it stop a lot of the issues faster.
Your name is well conceived. Job well done.
My name is Tony Richards I am a rep for Triple Up Entertainment, We are different we are an anti-violence group that offer opportunity to all especially the unfortunate. We are all for the making of offsetting ourselves from other promoters, but for real we need help its that simple. We are having money issues and can’t get everything in the positive planning to be mission complete. Now as for the shootings most come from the ignorance of other promoters not knowing the consequences of their actions. Actions speak for themselves, and they don’t realize their actions don’t just harm them at times, they also harm us. At times they get other promoters to help them then they screw them and then the person they screwed just shoot into the air just to get a party shutdown or to terminate their business. As for shootings in regular everyday life such as with teens dealing with gang violence, relationship conflicts, or family issues we can’t stop them from starting a problem, because sometimes problems have started before they come out to any event or public place, but we can prevent it best we can with our licensed security and police security that we have at our events. I wish the police knew all the reasons behind the shootings like I do in some specific incidents, but truthfully it probably wouldn’t even matter, because at a couple teen parties I watched police start a teen fight by instigating and making teens bunch up. So I don’t really how to go about these situations, but I know truth behind gunshots and violence regardless don’t never change if your young or old it’s just experience you go through that make you decide your actions of life and it’s another way of just expressing how you feel. It’s terrible but it’s the truth and it’s every day life not just teen parties. Most teens started in a home somewhere right? What or who made teens choose such routes of life? Is it the teen’s parents or teachers? Is it what has been taught to the teen in reality or school? Why should a teen be held accountable if they know not what they do? What would Jesus do judgement wise to such teens?
Tony, Your group is the one that is listed on ad for “Her Booty Got Swag”. And if I remember correctly at that party fights broke out in our neighborhood. You are saying a whole a lot of nothing.